Podcast 123: Horseshoe Southern Indiana; Top 5 Cigar Preferences; Lower BAC?

Podcast 123, 6/24/13 … In this episode, Tony amazes us with a trip report from Horseshoe Southern Indiana, then Jason and Tony share their individual Top 5 cigar lists. Then Tony speculates about potential laws to lower the BAC to 0.05 nationwide.

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8 thoughts on “Podcast 123: Horseshoe Southern Indiana; Top 5 Cigar Preferences; Lower BAC?

  1. rob Reply

    I very much appreciated the conversation around the BAC. Like the hosts, I do not advocate in any way driving a motor vehicle while intoxicated. That being said, this latest movement is all about money and not about safety. The safety argument was made several years ago, (about 33), when states had to move from .10 down to .08 and from a beer and wine legal age of 19 up to 21. While cash strapped states hide behind emotionally charged organizations like MADD, law enforcement officials can now expand their strike zone to include anyone and everyone. Police departments hold contests for the most DUI arrests made and corners are cut in the process, and rights are violated. When this behavior is called out, it is quickly swept under the rug by mainstream media. Again, no one is advocating driving drunk, but the expanded ruling makes an already unjust situation much easier to exploit. This will hurt the restaurant industry since fewer people will trust the system and therefore avoid a glass of wine with dinner or a pre-meal cocktail. They may even stay home altogether. It will be interesting to see if the restaurant association has any strength to their lobby.
    Thanks for the topic.


  2. Mike Reply

    Thanks for taking my topic suggestion on the .05 BAC, guys. Now, any word on a visit to metro Detroit?

  3. Jason Gillikin Reply

    Oh, yeah, Mike. The metro Detroit visit is scheduled for July 20! A small group of us have elected to put off the July “cigar and cocktail evening” and move it to Saturday the 20th. We plan to hit Detroit and do at least one cigar shop plus check out the downtown casinos.

    • Mike Reply

      Need any cigar shop/bar recommendations? My favs:

      Churchills cigar bar/steakhouse in Birmingham

      Stix martini and cigar bar in Southgate

      Got Rocks cigar bar at Big Rock Chophouse, also in Birmingham

      Godfather Cigar Bar in Rochester

      Or have you guys picked your cigar lounge for the day?

      • Jason Gillikin Reply

        Hi, Mike!

        We’re heading to Detroit this Saturday (the 27th). Care to join us? We’re leaving Lansing around 11 a.m., and plan to also hit the three downtown casinos for a walk-through. If you’re free, give us a time and a location that you recommend, and we’ll see you there!

  4. AccessVegas Reply

    Spent the afternoon on the Las Vegas Strip and the evening enjoying a


    (That’s what the band looks like)

    in part while listening to VLO on my back patio.

    Although a longer episode, it was very engaging. Nice work. The Top 5 was great, and the selections were such that I completely concur.

    Per the drunk driving stuff, I’ve studied this extensively myself and Tony was 100% on the money. When I moved to Nevada a zillion years ago, the limit was .12 and we did not have people dying left and right (or even ever of any note) because they .11 people were not plowing into cars and pedestrians and light poles.

    In fact, Palms (former) owner George Maloof was popped for drunk driving (pulled over for speeding, if memory serves me correct) and nailed for a .08 a few years ago. While you can argue that he should have a driver at all times anyway, I think that I recall him saying (and I paraphrase here) “I didn’t think I was drunk”. And probably because at .08, you are not drunk.

    This is a complete cash grab by cities and counties. It is so easy to pop people for drunk driving and collect the cash at these low limits that they have no reason but to keep at it.

    Here’s the ironic part:

    When I was growing up in the 70’s and 80’s and someone got convicted of drunk driving, it was a BIG DEAL. There was a HUGE stigma attached to it. If you were convicted back then, that means you were DRUNK. Hence, “drunk” driving. That is a stigma that respectable people wanted to avoid, and that their friends wanted to help them avoid. (Hey… give me the keys… you are in no condition to drive). And hence, the guy who was at .08 would drive his .13 friend home and all would be fine.

    NOW… the stigma of drunk driving is completely gone. There is no “bad” societal issues for having a DUI conviction. In fact, people mention having one casually and we all probably know of people in our social circles who have been popped.

    Side Note: Don’t have one. Not trying to carry a torch on that. But… I’m fortunate enough to have an assistant to drive me, or the means to hire cabs. If I didn’t, who is to say?

    Bottom Line: All of this degrading of what drunk driving really is and labeling anyone who has had a couple of beers at a bar as a “drunk driver” has completely removed the societal pressure to NOT DO IT. Everyone who drinks knows they may be popped at some point, it doesn’t stop them, and it is like hitting 0/00 on the roulette wheel. Ooops, I finally lost. Pay the piper and live goes on.

    The MADD mothers have actually defeated their purpose. If they kept it at a higher limit and made sure only the true driving drunks went to jail, we’d still have people saying “Don’t drive, crash on my couch, let me take your keys, let me call you a cab” and we’d keep the true drunks who do kill people and knock down light poles off the streets to a higher degree.

    Excellent high-level discussion on a topic, which is the forte for what you do with VLO. Really enjoyed listening as always.

    • Mike Reply

      I disagree completely that there is no “stigma” with a DUI conviction — or even charge. Unlike years ago when police would simply take drivers safely to their homes, they’re arrested and it’s a part of their permanent record in most states. Attorney fees, fines and insurance costs can make a first DUI cost $10,000 today.

      As the numbers of people charged with DUI drop, the stigma attached to it rises, as with any behavior society frowns on. As for bad societal issues, try having to take the bus to work or being unable to rent a car for business. Lots of shame there.

      • AccessVegas Reply

        I agree that as the numbers drop, the stigma rises. Which was exactly my point: At .08, you have a LOT more people getting popped, making it much more common. I won’t argue the inconvenience or cost. I’m not suggesting it is a fun experience.

        But when someone says they have had a DUI now, it is like “whatever”. Famed sportscaster Al Michaels got popped this spring. The fallout was minimal and the next day, it was old news and no one cared.

        30 years ago when the number of people arrested was smaller and you really had to be drunk to get arrested, it was “wow, this guy must be a drunk”.

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